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John Vladman

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Prime Metapower Concept

Your first Metapower is your Prime Metapower. In case one Metapower other than your first is at higher level than your first Metapower, then said Metapower becomes your Prime Metapower.

According to your Prime Metapower’s Classification and Energy Type there are Experience Cost increases when leveling a new Metapower.

Energy

Same Energy Type

Same Experience Costs.

Different Energy Type

When you unlock a new Metapower, check your Prime Metapower’s Energy Type (Cosmic, Elemental, Material, Psychic). If the new Metapower’s Energy does not match the Prime Metapower add another 500 Experience to the Unlocking Cost.

 Progressionm besides Unlockinga new Metapower, is unaffected by difference in Energy Types.

Classification

Same Classification ( example Hammer going Hammers)

Lowered Experience Costs

Unlock level 1: 500

Progress Formula: Current (x) Going (x) 80

Different (Matching) Classification ( example Hammers going Anvils)

Base Experience Costs

Unlock level 1: 1000

Progress Formula: Current (x) Going (x) 100

Different (Non-Matching) Classification ( example Hammers going WIll Breakers)

Increased Experienced Cost

Unlock level 1: 1500

Progress Formula: Current (x) Going (x) 120

 

Matching & Non-Matching Classifications

Each Classification has four other Classifications that are MATCHING and four that are Non-MATCHING as seen in the following infographic of a Nine-gram and the following table.

 

Nine-gram Infographic. The four MATCHING Classification for each of them is LEFT & RIGHT in circle and the two lines connecting. 

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Example Anvil

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Example Mover

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TABLE

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To nine-gram einai cool idea/design, ta values kai pio importantly ta pairing/opposites thelei arketo evaluation! 🙂
 

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Pantos den kalypteis thn periptwsh idiou level between metapowers ta opoia einai higher than your starting one pio tha metraei gia prime

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Λοιπόν το concept μαρέσει πάρα πολύ, αλλά. Σκέφτομαι οτι ήδη υπάρχει constriction όταν θέλω να πάω προς non-matching metapower λόγω του διαφορετικού stat roll στο οποίο θα πρέπει να επενδύσω. Επίσης, για να μπαλανσαριστεί σωστά όπως λέει και ο κώστας, πρέπει να ληφθούν όλοι οι παράμετροι που αφορούν xp υπόψιν, παράδειγμα, σε πόσα acts θέλεις να έχει την δυνατότητα ένας χαρακτήρας να γίνει omni? σε πόσα acts να μπορεί να έχει 2-3 metapowers lvl5 για να μπορεί να κάνει κάποια combos κλπ (εννοείται λαμβάνοντας επίσης υπόψιν xp που θα πρέπει να ξοδέψει για να έχει σοβαρά stats και characteristics-μη έχοντας προφανώς ***θει στα xploding 10's στο character creation σαν κάποιους 😂

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kalo einai na uparxei duskolia giati tha upoxrewsei ton paixth na skeftei ti tha epilexei ligo parapano kai tha meiwsei to poso eukola tsimbas ta panta apo noris! auto to xreiazesai giati thes na uparxei ena uniqueness me flaws wste na nne natural pros tous paixtes to teamplay!
to pote tha xei omni h pote tha xei metapower sto 5 den exei shmasia gia to design afou exartate apo to xp gain tou paixth kai to scope tou campaign! (ginetai men affect apo ta xp requirements gia unlock kai lvl up alla einai apla ena minor tweak sto value)
auto pou prepei na tsekaristei einai kata poso oloi oi sunduasmoi twn metapower pou bgainoun apo ta matching einai viable dld epitrepoun na sunhsfereis me kapoio tropo sto combat (buff/heal/dmg/CC dld 1, 2 apo auta na kaneis kala mia xara einai!)

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12 hours ago, Kostas Koronaios said:

Pantos den kalypteis thn periptwsh idiou level between metapowers ta opoia einai higher than your starting one pio tha metraei gia prime

Isxuei ! Se periptwsh poy exeis 2 alles poy einai higher lvl than your first: etsi opws to skeftomai twra, eite DIALEGEIS between the two, eite "opoia eftase higher prwth" eite "opoia eftase higher pio prosfata"
. kapoio apo afta 😄

 

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Prime Metapower rules:

Your first Metapower is your Prime Metapower, in case your P.M ties with another at the same level, your first Metapower remains your Prime Metapower. (Prime = Meta Strength lvl 2, exeis k kati allo lvl 2? paramenei h prwth to P.M)

In case one of your Metapowers becomes higher lvl than your first, then that Metapower becomes your P.M  (exeis M.Strength 2 kai meta exeis M.Speed 3 ? to meta speed einai to Prime sou)

In case two other Metapowers other than your first are both equal and higher level than your P.M then your P.M is determined from its ENERGY TYPE as seen on the following picture. life.png.8fe494476101b56560e0f7ca9ec9ae6a.png

 

Example: Your first Metapower was M.Strength (lvl 2). Then you raised Pyrokinesis lvl 3, your P.M is now Pyrokinesis. In case you increase 6th Sesnse lvl 3 as well - your Prime Metapowers becomes Pyrokinesis - because Pyrokinesis (Elemental) is one step close to Material, and 6th Sense (Psychic) is two steps close to Material - therefore your P.M is Pyrokinesis. 

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Addition suggestion: if both are the same level and energy type your P.M. becomes the first obtained (ex. pyro Lvl3 and Hydro Lvl3)

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26 minutes ago, John Vladman said:

swstos nai, an einai idia - den allazei. 

sorry δν τογραψα καλά, αν τα καινούργια είναι ίδια εννοουσα, δηλαδή αν από P.M. Meta strength Lvl2 πάρεις 2 level 3 new powers from the same type

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isos prosthetei perito complexity to energy type hierarcy sto determining poio einai to P.M.
px sto paradeigma pou eipes an anti gia 6th sense htan to 4th wall pou ne cosmic kai einai 1 step away? pali to pyro tha tan P.M giati htan prwto lvl3
ti abuse apotrepei to energy type addition sthn exiswsh apo to to sketo poio power htan higher level prwto?! 😮
 

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px sto paradeigma pou eipes an anti gia 6th sense htan to 4th wall pou ne cosmic kai einai 1 step away? pali to pyro tha tan P.M giati htan prwto lvl3

nai pali to pyro oxi giati htan to prwto lvl 3 alla giati einai pio koda sto Energy symfwna me thn eikona poy postara. 

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ti abuse apotrepei to energy type addition sthn exiswsh apo to to sketo poio power htan higher level prwto?! 

an einai higher lvl it is clear. an exeis 2 sto idio level, kai ta 2 higher apo to prwto soy power - tha pareis afto poy einai pio koda sto energy, opws lew sto paradeigma. An kai ta 2 kainurgia einai to idio energy (opws eipe o Spyros) tote den allazei. 

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isos prosthetei perito complexity to energy type hierarcy sto determining poio einai to P.M.

nomizw dn prosthetei katholoy complexity, super easy apla vlepeis to sxhma kai ypologizeis amesws (kai ola afta mono se periptwseis - genika to prwto soy einai to P.M)

 

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7 minutes ago, John Vladman said:

nai pali to pyro oxi giati htan to prwto lvl 3 alla giati einai pio koda sto Energy symfwna me thn eikona poy postara. 

ma kai elemental kai cosmic einai 1 step apo to material pou htan to arxiko PM (strength)

h logikh pou perigrafetai xoris to energy type einai :

to PM sou einai to arxiko power (named A for convenience) pou ekanes unlock
an ena new power (named X for convenience) ginei iso level me to PM sou tote auto den allazei kati to arxiko paramenei to PM
an to X ginei megalytero level apo to A tote to X ginetai to PM
an ena 2o new power (named Y convenience) ginei iso me to X den allazei kati, X einai akoma PM
an to Y ginei megalytero level apo to X tote to Y ginetai PM

twra esy prosthetheis to energy factor sth periptwsh twn 2 new powers pou ne different 


opote h logikh ths 4hs protashs allazei se :

an to Y ginei iso me to X kai to Y einai closer sto A (bash tou energy type diagram) ap oti einai to X sto A tote to Y ginetai PM allios to X paramenei PM

to me that's more complex than the previous statement, asxeta pws to kaneis translate visually


epishs den katalabainw sto above example giati afou to X pairnei to PM giati endiaferei ti energy htan to A otan to Y ginei iso me to X?

maybe i'm just tired alla den to pianw akribos 😄

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ma kai elemental kai cosmic einai 1 step apo to material pou htan to arxiko PM (strength)

 

to cosmic einai 3 steps away oxi ena. ta velakia einai one way oxi both ways. 

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8 hours ago, John Vladman said:

ta velakia einai one way oxi both ways. 

aahhh..didn't get it at first glance!!

Image result for homer doh meme

still 1 more complexity factor imo but ok oti pei o kurios narrator!! 😄

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Κοίτα εμένα μαρέσει πολύ το concept αλλά για να μην κουράσει το γύρνα σελίδα // θυμήσου classification // με ποια σειρα να τα βάλεις κλπ κλπ Θα ήθελα να υπήρχε κάποια καλύτερη visual απεικόνιση (τύπου skill path / tree βλέπε diablo / POE etc)

Δηλαδή ο σκοπός για να γίνει fun και engaging process θέλει λίγο καλύτερο UI. 

Μία σκέψη είναι σε 9 σελίδες Α3 (δηλαδή μέσα στο βιβλίο να είναι αριστερα και δεξιά Α4) να έχει σε αχνό background τον κύκλο με τα 9 classifications και κάθε classification να έχει τα powers που του αντιστοιχούν κυκλικά (embedded πάλι σε background ο κύκλος των energy types) με χρωματική διαφοροποίηση. Σε κάθε 2σέλιδο να έχει με bold τα 3 classifications που είναι matching και τα αντίστοιχα powers τους. 

#apokoda

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21 hours ago, Kostas Koronaios said:

an to Y ginei iso me to X kai to Y einai closer sto A (bash tou energy type diagram) ap oti einai to X sto A tote to Y ginetai PM allios to X paramenei PM

to me that's more complex than the previous statement, asxeta pws to kaneis translate visually

my thoughts exactly - imho it's gonna be more complicated if you add the energy rule here without meaningful results? What's the reason why we should level up differently based on what energy type our powers have? AFaik it's not the Air-bender universe and it's totally cool if someone controls more than one elemental type...

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